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Do I Actually Need Therapy? Answers to the Question Everyone Googles at 2:00 AM

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Aug 11

Written By Cassandra Minnick

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This blog is adapted from one of our recent podcast episodes. You can take a listen at the button above.

If this title caught your attention, you've probably already Googled some version of this question, maybe more than once. Maybe at 2:00 AM when everything feels heavier than it does in daylight.

I want to acknowledge something before we get into it: by the time someone actually shows up in my office, they've usually asked themselves "do I need therapy?" hundreds of times. Not an exaggeration. This question lives in people's minds for months, sometimes years, before they do anything about it. So if you're there right now… circling the question, not sure if you've crossed whatever invisible line qualifies you to seek help, this post is for you.

Key Takeaways

In this blog post, you'll learn:

The most common misconceptions about who therapy is actually for
Concrete signs that it's time to seek professional support
Why waiting until things get "bad enough" is a plan that tends to backfire
How to find the right therapist and what matters more than credentials
A simple, practical way to stop circling the question and make a decision
What getting started at Seen Therapy actually looks like, step by step

The Misconception: You Need a Diagnosis to Go to Therapy

One of the most common things I hear is some version of: "I don't have a diagnosis, so I'm not sure I qualify." Or the flip side: "I'm worried that if I go to therapy, I'm going to come out with a label I don't want."

Let me clear both of those up.

You do not need a diagnosis to go to therapy. There's a lot I can do for you clinically without you meeting criteria for major depressive disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, or PTSD. If you're using insurance, your therapist should be having a conversation with you about what's covered and what isn't, but that's a coverage question, not a worthiness question. The two are not the same.

And going to therapy does not mean you will definitely receive a diagnosis. Sometimes you will. Sometimes you won't. Either way, it doesn't change whether the work is valuable.

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How Do You Know When It's Actually Time?

This is the harder question, and I won't pretend there's a clean answer. A lot of people come to me having had their symptoms for years, sometimes decades. There's often something that's sparked an increase in severity, but the underlying patterns have been there for a long time. So how do you know when you've crossed the line from "something I can manage" to "something I need support with"?

Here are some of the signs I share with people regularly. If several of these are resonating, it's probably time:

Significant changes in sleep. Either direction - sleeping too much, sleeping too little, waking up in the middle of the night with your mind racing.

Emotional reactions that feel out of proportion. When your response to a situation is much bigger than the situation seems to call for, that's usually a signal something else is driving it.

Avoiding things you used to at least tolerate or even enjoy. Avoidance is one of the most reliable early signs that something needs attention. When your world starts shrinking, pay attention.

Using something to cope and keeping it secret. Alcohol, food, work, scrolling. When you're working hard to hide how much you're relying on something to get through, that's worth looking at.

Patterns you can see but can't change. You can see yourself getting into the same arguments. You recognize the thought spiral before it starts. You know the pattern, you just have no idea how to break it.

A significant loss, transition, or trauma. These events deserve professional support. If there's someone around you saying "this is big, you should consider therapy", listen to them.

That said, sometimes none of these apply clearly and it's still time. If you're processing the same things with friends over and over and nothing is shifting, that might be a sign that what you're carrying needs more than conversation can offer.

If you're wondering whether you should go to therapy, you should probably just go. Not because it's not a big deal (it is!), but because the wondering itself is usually telling you something.

"My Problems Aren't Bad Enough"

This one deserves its own section because I hear it constantly, and I want to be direct about it.

Waiting until things get bad enough is not a plan. It's a delay.

Here's what actually happens: we become more tolerant of symptoms over time. Six months from now, things might not have gotten better, but you'll have gotten used to where they are. You won't notice the gradual decline because you've been living it slowly. And the longer symptoms go unaddressed, the more they cost - in time, in money, in relationships, in quality of life.

87% of people report a decrease in symptoms when they pursue therapy. Those are solid numbers. Not perfect because therapy isn't magic and it isn't linear, but solid enough to be worth taking seriously.

The question isn't whether your problems are bad enough. The question is whether you want to address them now or further downstream when they've grown.

A Simple, Practical Way to Make the Decision

If you're genuinely not sure, here's what I suggest: write yourself a short note about where things are right now. Not a novel, just an honest record of what you're experiencing. Then pick a date on the calendar, whatever feels reasonable to you, and commit to coming back to that note on that date.

If things have improved meaningfully by then, great. If they're the same or worse, that's your sign. Schedule a consultation call. It doesn't have to be with me, though I'd love to talk with you.

The reason I suggest this: we get used to things. Without a written record, it's hard to accurately assess whether anything has actually changed. The note gives you something real to compare to.

How to Find the Right Therapist

Once you've decided to look, here's what I'd actually pay attention to.

Look for someone who specializes. A therapist who says they treat everything is a generalist. Generalists have a place such as crisis centers and intake settings, but for ongoing weekly therapy, specialization matters. Look for someone who has a clear lane and stays in it.

Rapport matters more than credentials. I know that might seem counterintuitive coming from a therapist who talks a lot about training and certification. But research shows us again and again: the quality of the therapeutic relationship is the number one predictor of how successful therapy is going to be. More than technique. More than approach. More than credentials.

That doesn't mean credentials don't matter, they do. But if you can't connect with the person, the best credentials in the world won't make the work move. Trust the instinct that brings you back to someone's website five or six times before you reach out. That instinct is usually right.

Ask a therapist friend. Most people have at least one friend in the mental health field. If you're trying to sort through credentials and certifications on Psychology Today and it feels like reading a different language: call that friend. Ask them what they'd look for.

What Getting Started at Seen Therapy Actually Looks Like

For anyone considering reaching out to us specifically, here's exactly what the process looks like.

Most people find us through our website at seentherapy.org. There's information about what we do and how we do it, and if text feels overwhelming, there are videos too. Every button on the site leads to the same place: a free 15-minute consultation call with me.

I love those calls. I've kept doing them myself because they're genuinely informative. I can respond to what you're actually bringing to the table in a way a website never can.

In that 15 minutes, I'm figuring out: are we going to be a good fit for you? If yes, we get you scheduled and send you paperwork electronically. If no, I give you information on who would be a better fit. Either way, you leave the call with a next step.

From there:

You complete your paperwork at your own pace
Any questions? Text us at 417-708-7909 - we respond within the same business day
The day of your appointment, you get a text with very specific directions to our waiting area (not just the building, but the actual office)
Your therapist comes and gets you
You go back for your first session

That's it. That's the whole process.

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The Bottom Line

If you're Googling "do I actually need therapy" at 2:00 AM, probably yes. And that's not a bad thing. It means something in you already knows.

You don't have to have a diagnosis. You don't have to have hit rock bottom. You don't have to have one single devastating event to point to. You just have to be someone whose life is being affected by something they haven't been able to shift on their own.

If that's you - write the note, pick the date, and make the call when you get there. Or skip the waiting and make it now.

Either way, I'm here.

Frequently Asked Questions

Do I need a diagnosis to go to therapy?

No. A mental health diagnosis is not a requirement for therapy. There's a lot that can be addressed clinically without meeting criteria for a specific diagnosis. If you're using insurance, there may be coverage implications, but that's a separate question from whether therapy would be helpful for you.

How do I know if my problems are bad enough for therapy?

This is one of the most common questions I hear, and my honest answer is: waiting until things get "bad enough" tends to backfire. We become more tolerant of symptoms over time, which means the gradual decline is hard to notice from the inside. Some concrete signs it's time: significant sleep changes, emotional reactions that feel out of proportion, avoiding things you used to enjoy, using something to cope and keeping it secret, patterns you can see but can't break, or a significant loss or trauma.

What if I just want to try therapy without committing long-term?

That's completely valid. Therapy doesn't have to be an indefinite commitment. You can step in, do some work, step out, and come back later. The work is cumulative. It doesn't disappear when you stop. That said, some presentations do benefit from sustained, consistent work, and a good therapist will be honest with you about what they're seeing.

What's more important: a therapist's credentials or my connection with them?

Connection. Research consistently shows that the quality of the therapeutic relationship is the strongest predictor of therapy outcomes - more than technique, approach, or credential level. That doesn't mean credentials don't matter, but if you can't connect with the person, the best training in the world won't make the work move.

What should I look for when choosing a therapist?

Look for someone who specializes rather than claiming to treat everything. A generalist has a place (crisis settings need them), but for ongoing weekly therapy, specialization usually means deeper expertise in what you're dealing with. After that, trust your gut about connection. If you keep coming back to someone's profile or website, that instinct is worth paying attention to.

How do I get started at Seen Therapy Services?

Visit seentherapy.org and click any button - they all lead to scheduling a free 15-minute consultation call with Cassandra. If you'd rather call, you can reach the office at 417-708-7909. On the consultation call, we figure out whether we're a good fit, get you scheduled if we are, and provide referrals if we're not. The whole intake process from there is handled electronically, and you'll receive specific directions to the office before your first appointment.

What if therapy doesn't work?

87% of people report a decrease in symptoms when they pursue therapy. It's not perfect, and it's not linear, but those are solid numbers. If a particular therapist or approach isn't working, that doesn't mean therapy doesn't work. It may mean you need a different fit, a different modality, or a different pace. A good therapist will tell you honestly when they think something needs to shift.

Related Resources

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You know, if this episode title caught your attention, you have probably already Googled at 2:00 AM, "Do I need therapy?" think this is a question that people ask themselves probably, and I'm not exaggerating, hundreds of times. I think people legitimately ask themselves hundreds of times, "Do I need therapy?" before they actually show up in my office. So all joking aside, I just wanna acknowledge that by the time somebody gets to me, they have ran through this in their minds over and over and over again. So we're gonna chat about that a bit today. Before we do, though, what do you have for us on Bandster? I got a good one today because we were setting up and working out all the kinks of our little dual live setup for this evening's adventure. So my question is, Cassandra, what is your favorite and least favorite thing about living in the world of technology we live in today? Oh my goodness Mm-hmm I guess technology is such a broad term, right? Like Yeah I mean, healthcare. Like, Mm-hmm. of healthcare that we and our children are able to receive would be what I most like about it. What I most dislike is I think it... I mean, we'll just really get into it. I think that technology us makes us so capable independence that we do not seek out community. Ooh. Take Mm-hmm. That's a big one lollipop after that one sponsor spot available, Ollipop, if you're watching. Yeah, that, no, that, so mine is kind of along the same lines, but my statement, I think, is both my favorite thing and my least favorite thing. It is, it, it's about how connected we are, but also how disconnected we are. Now, of course, we're husband and wife, so we, we've discussed this topic before, and we kind of align on it a little bit. And yeah, I think that we are more connected than ever, yet so disconnected. I mean, recently, I think back, we were at a, at a public pool, and we saw a, like, swimming device that some little girl had on, and we saw who her mom was. And you went over and said, "Hey, I love that thing that your daughter's wearing. Can you tell me about it? Like, what is it? Where'd you get it?" And she was like, "I don't know you." You know? It, it was, she was, like, scared that someone was just politely asking a question about something, you know? And I don't know, a stranger. But I think I'm worried that we're headed in that, in that direction in a lot of ways. And as, as a society, I hope we're not, but Yeah. Yeah, I'm definitely my grandfather's granddaughter in that I will go talk to anyone. I recognize that's not everyone everyone's cup of tea, and that's okay. But yet there are some people that are completely... Some p- she was our age. You know, she had a, Mm-hmm. around our age, and she seemed to be around our age, and she was yeah, she was pretty taken aback that I approached her, which w- it was interesting. But Yeah anyway, okay. Can we get into it? You ready? As ready as I've been all evening Okay. First thing that I wanted to kind of address is the misconception that you either need a diagnosis to go to therapy or that you will definitely be receiving a mental health diagnosis in therapy. now if you are utilizing your insurance then your therapist should be having a conversation with you that unless you meet criteria for certain mental health diagnoses your time that you're going to be able to spend in therapy with coverage is going to be really limited. That said there's a lot that we can do for you clinically without you having, for instance, a major depressive disorder diagnosis or a generalized anxiety disorder diagnosis or a PTSD diagnosis. And I think that there there is again some assumption that you, you need to either already have that or that you are going to receive that for certain during therapy. And then have to work through that diagnosis once you have it, right? And that is not necessarily the case. So that's a common misconception. Another one that, or not, you know, necessarily a misconception, but another thing that I hear from folks is, like, just not knowing when is it actually time. Like, how do I know I've crossed this imaginary line into this isn't something that I can just process with a friend? There's a lot of folks that are coming in, they've been dealing with the symptoms that they're presenting with to some severity for a long time. And so it is hard to identify what is that line, where is the point where I actually go in, where I actually pursue something Yeah. As an average g- Joe, can I just say that if you're thinking, "Wow, should I see a therapist or should I keep processing with my friends?" You should probably go see a therapist. Not that your friends aren't there for you and your friends don't love you. They do, and they are there for you, I'm sure. I don't know them. They're your friends, not mine. But I think that if that's a consideration that you're having, then you should maybe seek out a professional just to kinda bounce some stuff off of them Mm-hmm. And there are some hard and fast things that I share with folks. I can kind of run through those really quick because they're things that I'll spew off often to you know, like, when people will approach me and they have a family member that maybe they're wanting to talk to about going or they're considering themselves pursuing therapy. Some basic things like have you had significant sleep cha- or, or changes in sleep rather, Mm-hmm. Yeah Um, are your emotional reactions seeming really out of bounds, like they're much bigger than the situation that you're in calls for? You started avoiding things that usually feel at least fine to you, but maybe even you would enjoy. You've started people or places or situations that typically you wouldn't. Yeah you're using something to cope and you're trying really hard to keep it a secret, so alcohol, food, work. Y- you know, it's time to leave the office, but you're not wanting to go home. you notice patterns that you don't have any idea how to break. So you see them you see the thought patterns, you see yourself getting in the same arguments with your spouse, but you have no idea what to do, in order to begin to address them. You've been through a significant loss, a significant transition, a significant trauma. So in those situations, you know, hopefully there is a professional or someone that you trust around you that is saying, "This is big. You should consider pursuing therapy." So those are kind of some hard and fast, hey, if we're seeing these things, we should really think about pursuing care. But again, sometimes it's pretty ambiguous. You know, a lot of times people are coming in and the symptoms that they've, they're coming in with, they've had for years, maybe decades. They're coming in because there's something that's sparked an increase in the severity of those symptoms, but they've been around. that makes sense. Mm-hmm. Yeah, for sure. And I think everyone has kind of a, a breaking point, air quotes if you will, where maybe they feel like they should finally go to therapy. But you're right, I think a lot of people who, a lot of people who seek out therapy ha- it's not their first thought. They've been pondering it for a while, sometimes years, right? Sometimes decades they've been thinking, "Should I do this? Should I do this?" And I just, as your average Joe I, I, I think that the moment you think, "Should I go to therapy for this?" Maybe just do. It's not that big of a deal. Just, just do. Just test it out Well, and I'll push back a little bit. It is a big deal, right? Like, I think, I think for us when we've actually pursued it, and we really should do an episode on that sometime, like our personal experience with therapy. and obviously I'll speak to this and we can always cut things out. But I think for both of us, it's easy to tell other people, like, "Go do it." And we have both, at different times had a hard time seeking it out for different reasons, Mm-hmm. right? Like, it's... Yeah, that, yeah I mean, I'll say that for me. Yeah. Like, it, But, but having done that, I say to others, like, "Just do it." It, because when, when we've both finally done it, it has been a rewarding experience, and it's been the right move. So I, I don't say it like, "It's not a big deal. Don't stress about it." I say it as like, "You can go to therapy and then stop going to therapy, and then go back to therapy, and then stop going to therapy again, and then go back..." It, it, it doesn't have to be like this I don't know. I think maybe, commitment. yeah, it's saying... I, and I do, I think where you're going, some people... Sorry, I'm interrupting, but some people conceptualize it as like, "I am now a person who goes to therapy." Mm-hmm. Is that what you... A- and it's like- Well, I was gonna say even on the level of if you go to the doctor because your throat hurts and they give you medicine, you take medicine until they stop telling you to take that medicine, right? They prescribe antibiotics for 14 days or seven days or what, you know, whatever it is, and you just do that until you're done or you're told it'll come back, it'll be worse. Therapy's not really like that, right? You can, you can step into therapy and then step out if it's not what you wanna be doing, and then step back in and step back out, and it can all be a cumulative process that's good for you. But there are also things where you probably do need to stay in, right? So it, it's a little more murky than just, like, a prescription, but Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I think some people a- and we have experienced this ourselves, right? It's like as you're reaching out to schedule, all of the logistics are going through your mind of like, how am I gonna make time for this? Do we need to do in the budget to make this Mm-hmm I don't know if this is going to actually help, which 87 p- percent of people report a decrease in symptoms when they pursue therapy. That doesn't mean it's gonna go perfectly, but those are pretty solid numbers, right? Yeah. I mean, 87%, I'd take that Yeah. I, I mean, that's, that's a, a pretty good place to, to land. You know, and as far as logistics, it's I tell people all the time, like, yeah depending on your perspective, like, therapy can be expensive. Self-pay therapy can be expensive. It is a time commitment. Those, you know, are both resources that you have to consider when you get started with therapy. I just think that if you chronically under-address we'll just stick with the word stress. If you chronically unaddress your stress or your symptoms, that is going to cost you more time and money than going to therapy. Like, it, it just will. It's going to be more a problem later Yeah, it's gonna be a problem later, and it's gonna be tax- more taxing on both those resources than therapy's going to be. So I, I get it. Y- you know, and also, a- again, it's are we gonna take care of it now or downstream? My problems aren't big enough or bad enough and I should be able to handle this on my own. I think those two are really wrapped up together, too. Yeah, for sure You know, d- do you want to wait until this is something that you really absolutely cannot manage on your own? It does become bigger, right? I think that I, I forgot I'm on camera. I can emote. No, you don't want to wait. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah, you don't, right? Because okay, so maybe you could do some more things on your own to address this, and maybe it's not quite bad i- you know, as bad as you thought it needed to be before you sought out therapy. So then what's the alternative? Are we, yeah, are we gonna wait for it to, to get as bad as we imagined that it would need to be? Yeah, 'cause that's bad, right? Yeah, that's bad. Yeah. like a solid plan. Mm-hmm like, I, I kinda poke at that. But again, I think that you and I have both been in that spot where it's like, "Okay, yeah, we'll, we'll invest the time and money into that if we don't see some im- improvement on our own." And it's Yeah again, okay, where do you draw that line, and where do No "It's, it's time"? And I will even tell folks, "It's valid that you want to try to work through some of this on your own, work through some of it with your community. I love that you have people that you feel like you can turn to to walk through this with you. Can you just do me a favor? Can... It doesn't have to be, like, a, a big letter, but can you write something to yourself about your experience right now? And can you pick a date on the calendar where you're gonna come back to that, and if things Mm-hmm. or they've gotten worse, you're gonna, you're gonna reach out to somebody," Yep I think we p- become more tolerant to symptoms, whether they are you know, physical emotional, cognitive. We build up a tolerance to symptoms, and so maybe six months down the road, things haven't gotten better, but we've become more tolerant of where our symptoms are at. Do we really Mm-hmm. And y- you know, I, I think for me, the answer's no. I, I don't want to become more tolerant to symptoms that I can, I can go and address Mm-hmm. You're like, "Yes, yes, yes, yes." Yeah. My wife's right, guys. She's right. Don't know what to tell you No more feedback. Five stars. Yeah So how do we actually start? That's kind of the next piece, right? What do we want to look for whenever we're looking for a therapist? I, I think the first thing that I've been encouraging people to do for a long time now is to look for somebody who isn't saying that they a jack of all trades and they address everything. Mm-hmm. is absolutely, just like we need ER physicians, we need primary care physicians, we need people who, are jacks of all trades in healthcare. We certainly need those folks in mental healthcare as well. I just don't think that their place is in long-term practice, so somebody that Mm-hmm. like seeing on a weekly basis for a long time. I think that they are at crisis centers, for instance, right? Like, Yeah somebody who's at a crisis center we need a generalist there. We need Sure who can really quickly have an idea of maybe what diagnoses we're dealing with and how to best get this person to you know, one, immediate care, and then follow-up care as well. Yeah for, again, first thing I tell folks is look for somebody who is specializing, who is niching. and then from there we're, we're really looking for, you know, how connected do I feel to this person? I recently had somebody tell me, like, "I came back to your website five or six times before I made a consult call, and I just kept feeling y- you know, connected to you. And so that's what ultimately led to me reaching out." And you know, the certifications and all of the things, they matter, and to try to sort through those as somebody who doesn't live in the field, it would be like me trying to sort through d- different certifications that somebody that does, you know, runs an HVAC business Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah if you really wanna dig into that, you know, a- ask around. Most people have a friend that's a therapist. Mm-hmm your, your friend that's a therapist and talk to them about, like, the credentials that you're seeing on Psychology Today, and you know, what can they tell you about them? But I think first thing is look for somebody that's niching and then you know, number one indicator of how successful your time in therapy is going to be is how s- you know, healthy the relationship is with the therapist, how strong the rapport is. So the, the connection. So that's important even more important than the therapist's skill level. We talk a lot about skillful therapists on here, and specifically with EMDR, like pursuing EMDR certification and things like that. But, research shows us again and again rapport comes before skill. So, definitely a consideration. And what a first session looks like, we actually had an episode that dove into this a little bit more. But really my goal in the first session is to take the intake that our clients have completed and to make sure that I have a really good understanding of it. And I tell folks on their consultation call, "You fill that puppy out to the degree that you're comfortable. If you really wanna dive into things, that helps me hit the gr- ground running a little bit more with you. Mm-hmm. Understand that not everybody sits down with their intake at their computer and has the capacity to write me a novel. And so that just means that we're gonna need to do a little bit more work initially to get all the information that I n- I need." And sometimes depending on where things are at in somebody's life, even when they come in and they chat with me, they're still not giving me a nottle- novel. They're at a spot where they really just title their experiences, and that's okay, too. Sometimes we need to get to know each other a little bit better and, and we need to work on some skills before we're taking y- you know, a whole lot of history. That's fine. so there are some basic things that, that look similar to kind of round us out, how do we actually start? I wanna be really specific and short. Most people come to us through our website, seentherapy.org. It gives you a lot of information in regards to w- what we do and how we do it. There are some videos if the text is a little overwhelming for you. It can sometimes be a little overwhelming for me. So there are some videos, and you can consume the information that way. All of the buttons on the website are going to bring you to schedule a free 15-minute consultation with me. I love those consultations. That's why I'm still doing them myself, and I feel like more than the website, those consultations are so informative because I do get to my responses to folks based off of what they're bringing to the table for me. And in that 15-minute consultation, my goal is to determine are we gonna be a good fit for you, and if not, who is going to be a good fit for you and providing you their information. If we are gonna be a good fit, we set an appointment for you in that consultation, and we send you a copy of our paperwork electronically. You fill that out. If you have any questions, you send us a text at the office line, 417-708-7909. We get back to you within the same business day. If you don't have any questions, you get that done. You get a text the day of your appointment that says, "Hey, these are the really specific directions to our waiting area." You come to that waiting area. Your therapist comes and gets you. You go back to your first session, and we've already walked through a little bit what that looks like. Bam. Need to put that on the website. That was a good walkthrough. Boom. Bam. P-bam short, even whenever I say that I will. So long story short, if you are googling at 2:00 AM, "Do I actually need therapy?" Gar said it earlier, but probably And that's not a bad thing. and that's not a bad thing, Yeah is difficult to draw a line in the sand to determine when you actually need to go. I do think the most concrete thing we said in the session was write down your symptoms, write a little letter to yourself, and mark a date on the calendar that you're comfortable with. If you're still experiencing the symptoms to that degree or worse at that date on that calendar, you're going to schedule a consultation call. Doesn't have to be with us, though I'd love to chat with you. Schedule with a therapist if you get to that date and you're still experiencing those same symptoms or they maybe have even gotten worse for you. Folks, it is always a joy. Thank you for tuning in to our first recorded session. We appreciate you, and we hope you have a fabulous rest of your day. Come back and listen more. Bye-bye. Well, that's all folks. Please see our show notes for ways to connect with us or go give us a follow on Instagram. You can find us at Simply Mental. If this episode resonated with you, send it over to a friend. Give us a five star rating. Subscribe. Download all the things the cool kids are doing these days. Thanks for having to listen.